Paul Krugman and Roger Farmer on Sticky Wages

I was pleasantly surprised last Friday to see that Paul Krugman took favorable notice of my post about sticky wages, but also registering some disagreement.

[Glasner] is partially right in suggesting that there has been a bit of a role reversal regarding the role of sticky wages in recessions: Keynes asserted that wage flexibility would not help, but Keynes’s self-proclaimed heirs ended up putting downward nominal wage rigidity at the core of their analysis. By the way, this didn’t start with the New Keynesians; way back in the 1940s Franco Modigliani had already taught us to think that everything depended on M/w, the ratio of the money supply to the wage rate.

That said, wage stickiness plays a bigger role in The General Theory — and in modern discussions that are consistent with what Keynes said — than Glasner indicates.

To document his assertion about Keynes, Krugman quotes a passage from the General Theory in which Keynes seems to suggest that in the nineteenth century inflexible wages were partially compensated for by price level movements. One might quibble with Krugman’s interpretation, but the payoff doesn’t seem worth the effort.

But I will quibble with the next paragraph in Krugman’s post.

But there’s another point: even if you don’t think wage flexibility would help in our current situation (and like Keynes, I think it wouldn’t), Keynesians still need a sticky-wage story to make the facts consistent with involuntary unemployment. For if wages were flexible, an excess supply of labor should be reflected in ever-falling wages. If you want to say that we have lots of willing workers unable to find jobs — as opposed to moochers not really seeking work because they’re cradled in Paul Ryan’s hammock — you have to have a story about why wages aren’t falling.

Not that I really disagree with Krugman that the behavior of wages since the 2008 downturn is consistent with some stickiness in wages. Nevertheless, it is still not necessarily the case that, if wages were flexible, an excess supply of labor would lead to ever-falling wages. In a search model of unemployment, if workers are expecting wages to rise every year at a 3% rate, and instead wages rise at only a 1% rate, the model predicts that unemployment will rise, and will continue to rise (or at least not return to the natural rate) as long as observed wages did not increase as fast as workers were expecting wages to rise. Presumably over time, wage expectations would adjust to a new lower rate of increase, but there is no guarantee that the transition would be speedy.

Krugman concludes:

So sticky wages are an important part of both old and new Keynesian analysis, not because wage cuts would help us, but simply to make sense of what we see.

My own view is actually a bit more guarded. I think that “sticky wages” is simply a name that we apply to a problematic phenomenon for ehich we still haven’t found a really satisfactory explanation for. Search models, for all their theoretical elegance, simply can’t explain the observed process by which unemployment rises during recessions, i.e., by layoffs and a lack of job openings rather than an increase in quits and refused offers, as search models imply. The suggestion in my earlier post was intended to offer a possible basis of understanding what the phrase “sticky wages” is actually describing.

Roger Farmer, a long-time and renowned UCLA economist, also commented on my post on his new blog. Welcome to the blogosphere, Roger.

Roger has a different take on the sticky-wage phenomenon. Roger argues, as did some of the commenters to my post, that wages are not sticky. To document this assertion, Roger presents a diagram showing that the decline of nominal wages closely tracked that of prices for the first six years of the Great Depression. From this evidence Roger concludes that nominal wage rigidity is not the cause of rising unemployment during the Great Depression, and presumably, not the cause of rising unemployment in the Little Depression.

farmer_sticky_wagesInstead, Roger argues, the rise in unemployment was caused by an outbreak of self-fulfilling pessimism. Roger believes that there are many alternative equilibria and which equilibrium (actually equilibrium time path) we reach depends on what our expectations are. Roger also believes that our expectations are rational, so that we get what we expect, as he succinctly phrases it “beliefs are fundamental.” I have a lot of sympathy for this way of looking at the economy. In fact one of the early posts on this blog was entitled “Expectations are Fundamental.” But as I have explained in other posts, I am not so sure that expectations are rational in any useful sense, because I think that individual expectations diverge. I don’t think that there is a single way of looking at reality. If there are many potential equilibria, why should everyone expect the same equilibrium. I can be an optimist, and you can be a pessimist. If we agreed, we would be right, but if we disagree, we will both be wrong. What economic mechanism is there to reconcile our expectations? In a world in which expectations diverge — a world of temporary equilibrium — there can be cumulative output reductions that get propagated across the economy as each sector fails to produce its maximum potential output, thereby reducing the demand for the output of other sectors to which it is linked. That’s what happens when there is trading at prices that don’t correspond to the full optimum equilibrium solution.

So I agree with Roger in part, but I think that the coordination problem is (at least potentially) more serious than he imagines.

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9 Responses to “Paul Krugman and Roger Farmer on Sticky Wages”


  1. 1 doncoffin64 February 11, 2014 at 10:56 am

    One of the few things I remember from my first grad macro course (University of Wisconsin, 1969) was Ed Feige telling us that the adjustment required to return an economy to full employment was an adjustment in real wages, not in nominal wages. That helped make sense of why the decline in nominal wages in the early 1930s in the U.S. had so little effect on unemployment. (As I recall, Clower’s adjustment process also focuses on the necessity for real, not nominal, adjustments.)

  2. 2 Tom Brown February 11, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Well, Sadowski likes your post David:

    http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=26148#comment-318294

    “Incidentally, David Glasner has written a response to both Krugman and Farmer, and my initial reaction is that I find myself agreeing 100% with David:”

  3. 3 Tom Brown February 11, 2014 at 11:44 am

    David, I think you fat fingered “which” in the above:

    “My own view is actually a bit more guarded. I think that “sticky wages” is simply a name that we apply to a problematic phenomenon for ehich we still haven’t found a really satisfactory explanation for. “

  4. 4 Morgan Warstler February 11, 2014 at 11:55 am

    I find Krugman’s brain to be almost dysfunctional…

    Who is he talking about that wants to say this:

    “If you want to say that we have lots of willing workers unable to find jobs — as opposed to moochers not really seeking work because they’re cradled in Paul Ryan’s hammock — you have to have a story about why wages aren’t falling.”

    Every normal model of economics I know of assumes that each person can be a moocher in a hammock and/or be a willing worker even if they have to take less pay.

    Because “willing” used to mean a man doesn’t want to die of starvation.

    So in a brutal world wages aren’t falling because of the hammock.

    QED.

    But still Morgan, welfare has to be built in, right?

    Look, in the goofy econ literature you all drag and beat to death on whether “marginal” increases in the MW cause more unemployment.

    Or in the other silly one about whether extending UI benefits causes unemployment, the comparables are always “marginal” ” small” and you guys are fighting over marginal effects.

    Meanwhile, goofy arguments like “well then, let’s raise MW to $50 an hour!” are waved away as silly.

    BUT there is one good thing about that argument!

    The INCREASE IS HUGE! it’s not a marginal change.

    All of this is a windup David to saying I think you, Roger, Scott need to start using GI/CYB as a theoretical framework to argue with Krugman.

    Why? Because the model makes a non-marginal MASSIVE change to the price of labor. $1 per hour?!? That’s 7x less than MW! (the same factor as the goofy $50 MW)

    GI/CYB posits that at $40 week in an online search system, ALL 30M+ unemployed WILL find buyers, since we are giving them another $280 (or less) in GI, but only if they choose a job from the $40+ pile. And there’s no UI.

    And it’s not nuts. it can’t be hand waved away. Hell, I got Konczal and deBoer – the LEFTY LEFTISTS that attack Krugman from his flank.

    Across the pond, there’s Izzy and Frances banging gongs about GI – without work which is silly.

    Miles Kimball etc. and host of reformcon bloggers keep batting it around.

    My point is, the quickest way to prove to Keynesians that sticky wages / prices is CAUSED BY THE HAMMOCK is to show them a model with the welfare theorems still built in, but that clears the market week after week, relentlessly.

    GI/CYB does that.

    When shown CI?CYB, how does Krugman and DeLong insist that:

    “wage flexibility would (not) help in our current situation”

    Doesn’t he have to retreat?

  5. 5 Jason February 11, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    In thinking about this, I came up with a (potentially unoriginal) reason: tradition.

    Employment long ago meant you could be hanged, so I think there was a lot of incentive for employees to take nominal wage cuts. However, early wage work was piece work, hence employers fired people (especially the least productive) instead of lowering wages. This resulted in social systems that evolved to cater to unemployed people (like workhouses) as opposed to hangings. Essentially path dependence means we have traditions around layoffs rather than nominal wage cuts.

    http://informationtransfereconomics.blogspot.com/2014/02/sticky-wages-information-transfer-and.html

    (You can ignore the information theory based stuff which is more motivation.)

  6. 6 Mike Sax February 11, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    Mark Sadowski agrees wages are flexible, Tom?

  7. 7 Mike Sax February 11, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Morgan these normal economics books aren’t Macro you know that right-they’re Micro. It’s just a return to pre-Keynes when there was nothing but Metholdoogical individualism.

  8. 8 Tom Brown February 11, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    Mike, no, I think he just agrees with David here. I’m not hearing David assert that wages are flexible


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David Glasner
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I am an economist at the Federal Trade Commission. Nothing that you read on this blog necessarily reflects the views of the FTC or the individual commissioners. Although I work at the FTC as an antitrust economist, most of my research and writing has been on monetary economics and policy and the history of monetary theory. In my book Free Banking and Monetary Reform, I argued for a non-Monetarist non-Keynesian approach to monetary policy, based on a theory of a competitive supply of money. Over the years, I have become increasingly impressed by the similarities between my approach and that of R. G. Hawtrey and hope to bring Hawtrey's unduly neglected contributions to the attention of a wider audience.

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