Keynes and Hawtrey: The General Theory

Before pausing for an interlude about the dueling reviews of Hayek and Hawtrey on each other’s works in the February 1932 issue of Economica, I had taken my discussion of the long personal and professional relationship between Hawtrey and Keynes through Hawtrey’s review of Keynes’s Treatise on Money. The review was originally written as a Treasury document for Hawtrey’s superiors at the Treasury (and eventually published in slightly revised form as chapter six of The Art of Central Banking), but Hawtrey sent it almost immediately to Keynes. Although Hawtrey subjected Keynes’s key analytical result in the Treatise — his fundamental equations, relating changes in the price level to the difference between savings and investment — to sharp criticism, Keynes responded to Hawtrey’s criticisms with (possibly uncharacteristic) good grace, writing back to Hawtrey: “it is very seldom indeed that an author can expect to get as a criticism anything so tremendously useful to himself,” adding that he was “working it out all over again.” What Keynes was working out all over again of course eventually evolved into his General Theory.

Probably because Keynes had benefited so much from Hawtrey’s comments on and criticisms of the Treatise, which he received only shortly before delivering the final draft to the publisher, Keynes began sending Hawtrey early drafts of the General Theory instead of waiting, as he had when writing the Treatise, till the book was almost done. There was thus a protracted period of debate and argument between Keynes and Hawtrey over the General Theory, a process that clearly frustrated and annoyed Keynes, though he never actually terminated the discussion with Hawtrey. “Hawtrey,” Keynes wrote to his wife in 1933, “was very sweet to the last but quite mad. One can argue with him a long time on a perfectly sane and interesting basis and then, suddenly, one is in a madhouse.” On the accuracy of that characterization, I cannot comment, but clearly the two Cambridge Apostles were failing to communicate.

The General Theory was published in February 1936, and hardly a month had passed before Hawtrey shared his thoughts about the General Theory with his Treasury colleagues. (Hawtrey subsequently published the review in his collection of essays Capital and Employment.) Hawtrey began by expressing his doubts about Keynes’s attempt to formulate an alternative theory of interest based on liquidity preference in place of the classical theory based on time preference and productivity.

According to [Keynes], the rate of interest is to be regarded not as the reward of abstaining from consumption or of “waiting”, but as the reward of forgoing liquidity. By tying up their savings in investments people forgo liquidity, and the extent to which they are willing to do so will depend on the rate of interest. Anyone’s “liquidity preference” is a function relating the amount of his resources which he will wish ot retain in the form of money to different sets of circumstances, and among those circumstances will be the rate of interest. . . . The supply of money determines the rate of interest, and the rate of interest so determined governs the volume of capital outlay.

As in his criticism of the fundamental equations of the Treatise, Hawtrey was again sharply critical of Keynes’s tendency to argue from definitions rather than from causal relationships.

[A]n essential step in [Keynes's] train of reasoning is the proposition that investment an saving are necessarily equal. That proposition Mr. Keynes never really establishes; he evades the necessity doing so by defining investment and saving as different names for the same thing. He so defines income to be the same thing as output, and therefore, if investment is the excess of output over consumption, and saving is the excess of income over consumption, the two are identical. Identity so established cannot prove anything. The idea that a tendency for investment and saving to become different has to be counteracted by an expansion or contraction of the total of incomes is an absurdity; such a tendency cannot strain the economic system, it can only strain Mr. Keynes’s vocabulary. [quoted by Alan Gaukroger "The Director of Financial Enquiries A Study of the Treasury Career of R. G. Hawtrey, 1919-1939." pp. 507-08]

But despite the verbal difference between them, Keynes and Hawtrey held a common view that the rate of interest might be too high to allow full employment. Keynes argued that liquidity preference could prevent monetary policy from reducing the rate of interest to a level at which there would be enough private investment spending to generate full employment. Hawtrey held a similar view, except that, according to Hawtrey, the barrier to a sufficient reduction in the rate of interest to allow full employment was not liquidity preference, but a malfunctioning international monetary system under a gold-standard, or fixed-exchange rate, regime. For any country operating under a fixed-exchange-rate or balance-of-payments constraint, the interest rate has to be held at a level consistent with maintaining the gold-standard parity. But that interest rate depends on the interest rates that other countries are setting. Thus, a country may find itself in a situation in which the interest rate consistent with full employment is inconsistent with maintaining its gold-standard parity. Indeed all countries on a gold standard or a fixed exchange rate regime may have interest rates too high for full employment, but each one may feel that it can’t reduce its own interest rate without endangering its exchange-rate parity.

Under the gold standard in the 1920s and 1930s, Hawtrey argued, interest rates were chronically too high to allow full employment, and no country was willing to risk unilaterally reducing its own interest rates, lest it provoke a balance-of-payments crisis. After the 1929 crash, even though interest rates came down, they came down too slowly to stimulate a recovery, because no country would cut interest rates as much and as fast as necessary out of fear doing so would trigger a currency crisis. From 1925, when Britain rejoined the gold standard, to 1931 when Britain left the gold standard, Hawtrey never stopped arguing for lower interest rates, because he was convinced that credit expansion was the only way to increase output and employment. The Bank of England would lose gold, but Hawtrey argued that the point of a gold reserve was to use it when it was necessary. By emitting gold, the Bank of England would encourage other countries to ease their monetary policies and follow England in reducing their interest rates. That, at any rate, is what Hawtrey hoped would happen. Perhaps he was wrong in that hope; we will never know. But even if he was, the outcome would certainly not have been any worse than what resulted from the policy that Hawtrey opposed.

To the contemporary observer, the sense of déjà vu is palpable.

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10 Responses to “Keynes and Hawtrey: The General Theory”


  1. 1 Luis March 19, 2013 at 3:02 am

    Mmmm… The differences are quite clear. But It seems to me to read a mistake of Hawtrey when talking about saving & Investment theory in “General Theory”. It seems that Hawtrey did not understand The differences between ex ante & ex post saving and investment. I think that the no guaranty of equilibrium in ex ante S&I is one of The key of Keynes’ system.

  2. 2 GDF March 19, 2013 at 4:35 am

    Hello David, Very interesting post. Would you mind explaining your thoughts apropos of differences between Hawtrey’s credit deadlock theory and Keynes’ liquidity trap. It seems to me that modern liquidity trapists like Krugman, Woodford etc. have more in common with Hawtrey than Keynes in the sense that they deal with low money demand elasticity w.r.t. the short rate rather than high money demand elasticity w.r.t. the long rate.

  3. 3 Rob Rawlings March 19, 2013 at 7:01 am

    Great post!

    I think this:

    “The idea that a tendency for investment and saving to become different has to be counteracted by an expansion or contraction of the total of incomes is an absurdity; such a tendency cannot strain the economic system, it can only strain Mr. Keynes’s vocabulary”

    Is the greatest one sentence critique of Keynesianism I have seen.

    Hawtrey obviously thought that the gold-standard was preventing a global expansion of the money supply. Assuming he believed that a fall in prices would have the same effect as an increase in the money supply does he have any explanation as to why such a fall in prices was not occurring ?

  4. 4 David Glasner March 19, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Luis, I wrote a number of posts about the role of identities in the theory of national income a little over a year ago. For some reason, this very simple distinction between identities and causal theories seems to be devilishly confusing. In my view most standard textbooks still get it wrong. But maybe I am the one who doesn’t get it. I think that Hawtrey understood the difference between ex ante and ex post quite well, Keynes’s problem was that he was unclear about the difference between an identity or an equilibrium condition. But that confusion does not make or break Keynes’s theory.

    GDF, My view is that credit deadlock refers to a situation of extreme entrepreneurial pessimism, which I would associate with negative real rates of interest. Keynes’s liquidity trap occurs at positive real rates of interest (not the zero lower bound) because bear bond speculators will not allow the long-term rate to fall below some lower threshold because of the risk of suffering a capital loss on long-term bonds once the interest rate rises. Hawtrey did not think much of this argument. The other important difference between Hawtrey and Keynes which they argued about intermittently for almost two decades is whether the interest rate important for monetary policy is the short rate the central bank sets for lending reserves to commercial banks, as Hawtrey thought, or the long-rate, at which entrepreneurs can borrow for investing in fixed capital, as Keynes thought. Watch for a future post on this issue.

    Rob, Than is ks. It is a wonderful quotation with a fantastic punch line. But I don’t think that it is really a critique of Keynesianism. I am not quite sure what Hawtrey was thinking. I see it as a critique of a bit of a muddle on Keynes’s part, but it is not that hard to repair the muddle without changing the substance of Keynes’s theory. A critique of Keynes’s theory has to go deeper than identifying what is just a confusion between an identity and an equilibrium condition.

    Hawtrey clearly did not believe that falling prices have the same effects as an increase in the quantity of money. The reasons that they are different are complicated, partly because wages are sticky, and partly because falling prices induce pessimistic entrepreneurial expectations so the deflation tends to feed upon itself. I am not sure what you mean when you ask whether Hawtrey had an explanation for why a fall in prices was not occurring. It certainly was occurring for most of the 1920s even before speeding up catastrophically in late 1929 through the early 1930s.

  5. 5 Ritwik March 19, 2013 at 9:46 am

    “The idea that a tendency for investment and saving to become different has to be counteracted by an expansion or contraction of the total of incomes is an absurdity…”

    That really is the clincher. Why precisely is it an absurdity? Keynesians would like to know. Presumably the real balance effect. Which Hawtrey seems to not consider important.

    The “in the aggregate, income adjusts” is so critical to Keynesian insight that these days even Scott Sumner has managed to fairly characterize it. Prima-facie, it seems like Hawtrey didn’t quite get Keynes’s argument – he doesn’t go the half-step from the Treatise to the Z-theory (GT minus absolute liquidity preference) as Leijonhufvud called it, following Robertson.

    Note that I’m not saying that’s what actually happens in all recessions. Its just the dominant feature of a Keynesian recession, and each recession could be Keynesian to some degree and ‘Hawtreyan’ to some other degree.

  6. 6 Ritwik March 19, 2013 at 9:55 am

    David

    While I understand how one may wish to differentiate between ex-ante and ex-post and make the difference between identity and equilibrium conditions, that isn’t a good enough critique of the Keynesian insight. What ensures that the ex-ante diverging tendencies of investment and savings comes out equal ex-post? Either real rates or incomes. The classical presumption is that real rates will always adjust faster. The Keynesian argument is that incomes may adjust quicker sometimes, and the real rate thus reaches an ‘equilibrium’ (a sub-optimal situation that nonetheless has no tendency to move) and won’t change anymore.

    Arguably, the great depression was triggered by central banks acting crazy and raising the real rate, thus forcing incomes to decline. So, arguably the great depression was not particularly Keynesian. That is an acceptable argument. But Hawtrey’s off-hand dismissal of Keynes’s argument by appealing to ‘the economic system’ is precisely the NeoClassical presumption. It’s an axiom masquerading as an argument.

  7. 7 nottrampis March 19, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    David, these posts have been terrific for those of us who weren’t taught this at university.

    highly educational

    We are in your debt.

    please keep it up

  8. 8 Rob Rawlings March 19, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Thanks David, I guess my question was badly expressed (and I had forgotten that prices actually did fall in the 1930’s).

    But I can now sort of see what Hawtrey’s views were on the matter.


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About Me

David Glasner
Washington, DC

I am an economist at the Federal Trade Commission. Nothing that you read on this blog necessarily reflects the views of the FTC or the individual commissioners. Although I work at the FTC as an antitrust economist, most of my research and writing has been on monetary economics and policy and the history of monetary theory. In my book Free Banking and Monetary Reform, I argued for a non-Monetarist non-Keynesian approach to monetary policy, based on a theory of a competitive supply of money. Over the years, I have become increasingly impressed by the similarities between my approach and that of R. G. Hawtrey and hope to bring Hawtrey's unduly neglected contributions to the attention of a wider audience.

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